Can you ride out from where you keep her? what is she like then?

I cant ride out because there are roads and claustrophobic bridle trails that have motorbikes, chainsaws, lawnmowers, dogs, birds, its a small alley of gravel in a trotting area so standardbreds and stallions run around and up to the fence snorting, so this nature reserve was my only close option because its quiet and no one else is around. She is pretty good with another horse who is confident and relaxed but by herself or another nervous horse she is even a nightmare to lead, but I havnt tried her undersaddle, she was bought supposidlya trail and campdrafting horse but I doubt it

Sounds very difficult! Only do it with another calm horse, two nervous ones together isn't going to help at all.
Perhaps you could take her there again with a calm horse & not ride her, but just lead her for a while & take her home. If that goes well, do the same the next time with her tacked & if she's nice & relaxed after 20 - 30 minutes try riding her BUT only if she's ready for it. It may take several goes but don't rush it.

I suggest you use your current environment as a training grounds. Look at Montys de-spooking lessons and help her desensitise to all the things that upset her. If this is the same mare that you have posted about with all the other issues including loading into a float then I'm frankly not surprised you are having problems. There is no point in taking her somewhere if she is not happy in the trailer. Start at home in small incremental steps.

Are you watching the video lessons? You seem to have a lot of problems & while people on this forum can answer a limited amount of your questions, you will get much more insight into how to deal with situations one step at a time by watching the videos & reading the extended notes on each lesson; if you start at the first lesson & work your way through them, you'll be in a much better position to deal with your horses in an appropriate manner.
please don't take what i've just said the wrong way, ask your questions, but do also study the lessons, they are a wonderful learning resource!

yes i do watch videos but none of them seem to help with her out on trails. she is perfectly calm and fine eating grass, blowing out, head down right outside the trail and then you walk her inhand onto the trail and she will get an anxiety attack, she will rub up and down on you frantically for comfort, run away eating grass and anything she gets in her mouth as fast as possible, she shoves into you for comfort, she really is a real mess and has a serious problem, she calls continuously even with another calm horse there she gets an anxiety attack. i tried to walk her on the trail after she dumped me and she was too much to handle. ive been looking everywhere for videos on how to calm a horse who gets an "instantaneous" anxiety attack on trails and i cant find anything on it. same with the floating habit, our float is straight load so we cant turn her around or walk her out straight her only way is to walk backwards and i dont know how to calm her down, we are getting heavy padding on the roof of the float so she doesnt hurt herself.

With all due respect you seem to be looking for an answer that will fix the problem as it is - its doesn't exist. The problems are an accumulation of many things and as Bery and I have said you have to go back to the beginning and start the desensitisation process right from day 1 and only more forward when she is comfortable at that point. Thousands of horses do what your mare does in the trailer (float) but it can be deal with but you have to follow the lessons and take it one step at a time. As I said don't take her on the trails - she is not ready, train her at home first! I think it's time to get some help in, do you have a Monty Roberts instructor nearby?

I had a mare last year that only operated from the right-brain perspective. Very spooky and reactive. I tried the dually, watched and rewatched videos. I finally came to the realization that we were not a good match. We played off of each other in such a negative way. It pained me terribly, but I had to rehome her. For her own well-being she had to be with someone who had more experience than me. We were miserable together. She is now being used for showing by a nine year old. I made the right decision for us both. Now I have a wonderful, level-headed gelding who respects me, has bonded with me and takes care of me out on the trails.

I had a mare last year that only operated from the right-brain perspective. Very spooky and reactive. I tried the dually, watched and rewatched videos. I finally came to the realization that we were not a good match. We played off of each other in such a negative way. It pained me terribly, but I had to rehome her. For her own well-being she had to be with someone who had more experience than me. We were miserable together. She is now being used for showing by a nine year old. I made the right decision for us both. Now I have a wonderful, level-headed gelding who respects me, has bonded with me and takes care of me out on the trails.

Sorry, didn't mean to post twice. I can't figure out how to delete the second post.

Yes I'll try to start from the beginning, I'll try tarps and the plastic bag etc. I've watched a lot of months videos on desensitisation so I shall do that. Unfortunately we don't have a Monty Roberts instructor nearby in Western Australia....hmmm ahahaha she's pretty much a left brain introvert but she has this thing that is like a button. One minute in the arena and the round yard she will be a bit lazy I'm having to use a crop when riding her now, and the next minute she just clicks and she blows up and turns into not a nasty horse, just natural instincts a bit like a brumby in training. She's difficult at times but I'm not prepared to give up on her :)

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This is the "scrambling mare"? Then of course she's getting frightened & telling you it's all too much, if she's in pain, she should be doing nothing until the vet & physio have treated her & then told you when & what exercise she can do to strengthen her. You'll give her a nervous breakdown if you carry on trying to make her work when she's in so much pain!
She has no other way of telling you.

Hi gansens - what an honest and brave thing to do. I have had two clients where the match has been wrong and though the pain was awful the relief for both horse and owner was overwhelming. Thank you for sharing that. Someties, it really is just that - wrong horse for the wrong person, but simple as it is it takes a lot of insight, pride swallowing, and avoidance of peer pressure to do the right thing. There's a line in a Meatloaf song that I often tel myself when I don't want to hear something uncomfortable, "The truth is hard to swallow when you're chokinig on your pride" ;-) And I have choked a lot in my life hahahaha

Apologies for typos...typing too fast again!

Just to add a point of note for us all. The Right Brain Extrovert/Left Brain Introvert thing is NOT a Monty supported philosophy; on the contrary, he thinks it's rubbish. That concept is a Parelli one (devised by Linda Parelli in the main) based on the human Myers Briggs theories. There is a similar style of thinking coming into the dog world called Dognition - I am not a supporter of it in horses as I have seen too many so called "Right Brain Extroverts with Left Brain Introvert tendencies" and vice versa which basically is a cop out that covers everything! Kelly Marks describes it as a metaphor rather than an actual biological fact i.e. it is about emotional reaction and a thinking reaction. I'm looking at it in more detail in the dog world to see how it applies - it may be there is more sense to it there because of the predator (like humans) rather than prey (horses) so the motivations are different, however I am not convinced at the moment. But I am keeping an open mind about it all for now until I learn more.

Beryl: I am not working her anymore, she was a spooky horse before her paddock accident. The spookiness is not caused by pain, it is caused by natural instincts to certain objects as the horse is a flight or fight animal. If I do ride her I ride her tackles once a week in a round yard at walk. I have never worked my horses under saddle more than once a week. I am getting a equissage one her and getting a physiotherapist on her to check her out and see what's happening. She already gets nervous breakdowns as it is in her spookiness out on trails, I don't ride her I walk her in hand out. When walking her out just to stretch her muscles she has an anxiety attack and rubs on you continuously for comfort, eats anything she can get her mouth on as fast as she can, she throws her head up and down, she doesn't spook she has anxiety attacks, but when she doesn't have these, she is really super spooky. She relies on humans a lot
Vicci: yes i know that Monty thinks it's rubbish aha oh well sometimes I forget I'm on equus online University ahahaha anyway she matches me a lot, on the ground she loves me to death, we do tricks, she follows me around and relies on me a lot as when I leave her in the round yard to go and get brushes out of the tack shed, she calls for me and paces up and down where I left her aha sometimes I think she thinks her mother was human ahahahaha I believe that horses aren't left brain right brain etc they are all of them, they have all tendencies but at that time they are at that one frame of mind, and the next minute they are in another. Like when a horse is being calm with his head down blowing out (being a "left brain introvert") and a plastic bag blows across the paddock and under the horses legs and they change their mindset from "left brain introvert" to "right brain extrovert" yes I make it sound complicating but it works for me ahaha

Ok, we've got that straight now; yes, obviously the physical stuff needs to be checked out, once that's done & she's been given a clean bill of health i have a suggestion for you to try - put her on Hormonise, it's liquid Vitex Agnus Castus so it' is a herbal substance, it gets into their system much better & faster than the seeds in my experience.
My mare is back on it after several years off it & she's calming down already.it won't do any harm even if it does no good, but what have you got to lose by trying it?
It works on the Pituitary glands to balance the hormones & contrary to belief it can also be used on male horses who are aggressive too; i've seen remarkable results on very stressed horses as well as ones with Cushings etc.