okay info bout my horse, he is four years old a gelding lots of energy loves running. My problem is that it is hard to slow him down in any thing less force than a d ring snaffle, when i do rein him he throws he head while slowing down i dont jerk the reins i steadily slow him down. And i hav t rode him in a week and he will throw his head while being ridden if i turn him or stop him, its not the tack cause i have change bits and not really a differenc. If i use a tie down he will shake his head back and forth, i reeall want to fix the problem completly and the problem that he will pull against the bit to go fast, i want him to walk trot canter gallop without increasing his speed if i dont ask him and wont give me heck of a time when i slow him down, please help
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And i want to ride him bitless if that possible please show me how to train him if know ones can someone at least tell me how to contact monty.
Some proposals:
Take him in the roundpen first to consume energy.
Maybe you can slow him down verbally (in German "Brrrrr...).
You may think also of the head shaking syndrome.
The horse is quite young, behaving like a young horse.
Rudi
Adding to Rudi's advice, I would also say train him in the arena so you get the basics of dressage in him.
He needs to learn to fully understand and obey the aids for stopping and starting as well as finding his balance under rider so he can start to find the bit and your hand to be of aid to him, and not something he needs to fight.
If possible, do get a trainer to help you. It's very difficult even for seasoned riders to handle a young horse by themselves.
Best of luck and stay safe!
Watch Monty's video's on the Uni regarding long-lining a young horse. This will help your horse to learn to respect the bit and respond to your hands. If your horse is hard in the mouth long-lining is the solution. If you would like to go bitless try the Dr. Cooks bitless bridle from what I hear horses that have a difficult time stopping respond to this bridle very well.
Good luck,
I long line and lunge my horses, and especially with young horses I use my seat more than my hands to slow them down, I agree to taking him in a round pen and in an arena. I ride my five year old in a dr cooks bit less bridle, she used to chick her head about and it was all because she didn't like the bit. Do as these people here have said they are completely correct in my opinion
thanks so much you guys don't how much time I looked for answers like theses. just so you know I don't have a arena and boarding my horse would not be possible cause we don't have time to drive their every day, and what should I do? should I build one. we don't even have A NICE BARN to kepp our horses in it only has one stall. we have a small round pen but its not big enough o be a arena. should we just enlarge the round pen? our 3 horses graze on 5 acres of land with a barn. what should I do???
thanks so much you guys don't how much time I looked for answers like theses. just so you know I don't have a arena and boarding my horse would not be possible cause we don't have time to drive their every day, and what should I do? should I build one. we don't even have A NICE BARN to kepp our horses in it only has one stall. we have a small round pen but its not big enough o be a arena. should we just enlarge the round pen? our 3 horses graze on 5 acres of land with a barn. what should I do???
also were training him western discipline
also were training him western discipline
Colorado Saddlery Headstall Bridle w/ Hackamore & Reins. would something like this work for my horse I seen horses wear these but why what is the function of these bridle should I use this for my horse, cause the dr. cooks bitless bridle is so expensive
Here is the best bitless bridle that I have found and use. All are hand made by the Mennonites of southern Ontario, Canada. Beautiful workmanship. The least expensive is $79.00 - $89.00 Canadian for the nylon one, which works just fine.
http://www.nurturalhorse.com/
The discipline - Western or English - doesn't matter. They still need to learn the basics.
It's a bit of a nuisance not to have an arena to work in - mainly because the fence makes it a safer place. You can enlarge the round pen but you can do as well with a quiet place with good footing in a field. Can you fence off a corner somewhere?
It doesn't have to be permanent even; just put a couple of poles in the ground with a single rope that you can take down and put up as you need it.
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A good trainer is still what I think is the most important part of the training. Is there someone in your area - maybe with their own arena - that you can go to for a couple of lessons? Even if it's just a couple of times/month, it will be of help to you both.
If your round pen has a 50 foot diameter that is all that you need to work in, something larger is not necessary right away. All of your long lining should be done in the round pen anyway if you don't have a dually halter I would suggest you invest in one, it is essential for your training and you can ride in it. This will give you a good idea if your horse will respond well to a bitless bridle. All of my horses have loved being ridden in the dually. I only used it for riding during their early training, I don't recommend using it to ride in past that.
Good luck,
thanks for all your answers you helped a lot, and know he trainers in my area don't follow montys way of training. they use training methods like john lyons and clint Anderson. sometimes forceful through training I guess. I should know cause I used to follow those methods till someone introduced me to monty and I started agreeing with everything he said!we do live like 30 min away from a ranch who trains gives lessons and you could board your horse and use the arena but, that wouldn't work my family couldn't drive me there every day, and no one would be able to help me. we would have to pay them to basically train my horse bythemselves cause I cant be there everyday. but my dad could help me hes a little more experienced than I am. thanks so much you guys helped a lot!!
umm.... well like i said before my horse does have trouble stopping but, i heard people say that horse have learned to bulley right through them. but if you guys are right about me long long lining my horse will this fix his problem slowing down and shaking his head? then dhould i try the duallly halter and ride him in it?
sorry for asking so many queztions but, once i do join up do i do long lining. i bin watching the videos,, and im asking if like the episodes are in order so after you do jion up i do long lining?? im so confused!
Hi archtemp1,
I read this thread after returning from abroad and I'm finding you almost more confused at the end than at the beginning! So here is my advice:
- get a clear view on Monty's methods, so you'll know what comes when.
- get a clear view on the items you want to address with your young horse.
- try to be realistic enough to admit some things might be too much to address alone for a person of your age.
- find help to guide you and your horse towards a respectful relationship, first on the ground and then in the saddle.
- Find some well-trained horses that you'd be allowed to practice your skills on, when it comes to longlining and other groundwork.
- remember that Monty says it's important you have fun training your horse, but that the most important thing is that your horse has fun, when it comes to training!
Take your time, give your young horse and yourself a fair chance to grow together...
Please keep us posted,
Miriam
Miriam has some good advice...as far as what order to do things I'll do a quick outline for you to follow.
1: Join up
2: Long line with the dually, learn how to turn your horse to go both directions and to walk, trot, canter, stop and backup on the lines.
3: These long-lining sessions do not need to be long maybe 15 - 30 minute sessions.
4: Ride in the round pen with the dually if you feel good about it.
These are not hard and fast rules, you can do all of these steps in one session or you can break them up but do them in this order. You only want to do join-up 4 or 5 times total with your horse, but you can long-line your horse as often as necessary to teach the horse the 6 imperatives.
The 6 imperatives are: Standing still, backing up, moving forward, stopping, turning right, turning left. There are video's on the Uni about this. You can do this...just keep watching the videos over and over until you completely understand the concepts and practice, practice, practice.
thank you so much!!! I do understand monty's methods but, I will take a closer look. and I will try to find some help if possible. Thanks so much!!
Archtemp1 = How is your training going? Are you and your horse out on the trails as partners now?
Like the way Kleinne put the order in training for you.