I have a untouched untrained horse, she is 6 years old with only one eye.
Will the join-up work with her if she is only going one way? She is blind in her left eye and refuses to go anti clockwise.
How do I get her to trust me so that I can touch her?
Regards
Sigrid
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So, first things first: need to know more about this mare & her surroundings. Presumably she's in a pasture. Is she part of a herd? Are they also untouched? Who owns her field mates? You used the term untouched rather than wild so I assume she's not a mustang or similar. OK, so not much of help offered yet. EVERY HORSE that has EVER had anything to do with ANY HUMAN started with SMELL, SOUND & SIGHT ( not necessarily in that order ). In this respect this horse is NO DIFFERENT. Your first step should be for her to come to recognise you as the human who has come to bring ' GOOD THINGS ' to her - you are HER HUMAN. That might start by using a treat, a little carrot & apple thrown where she can find it, even if the rest of the herd crowd her out. She will quickly come to recognise your call &, with your patience, accept your general presence. From that first, tentative bond you both embark on a wonderful journey, TOGETHER. Please give us more background on this situation so we can offer our thoughts & insights. One eyed horses have been very successful - it's a disability they cope with really well so this mare is worth your every effort. Cheers, Jo.
Thank you for your feedback. I love the story about Apollo with the filly.
Rosie is a Arabian cross, she was with a herd that were also wild. They are owned horses but nothing has been done with them. We got her from an old farmer she was a gift. She is with us here at home. We have a stall that is joined with a round pen so she could have more space to move. She started to recognize me now because when I bring food I whistle at her. I made myself an artificial extended hand like Monty’s. I am working everyday slowly and calming just to touch her. She let me touch her on her nose and enjoy a small scratch on her nose. So already there are a little bit of progress. .
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I did join up with Max in 2010 ( when he was 7 ) & that was really successful. However, Humphrey, who came later that year ( when he was 2 ) needed nursing back to health. His teeth were knocked out on one side, his mouth was very sore & he was painfully thin. I spent time with him, steamed alfalfa & fed him up. Eventually I tried to do join up but needed a plastic feed sack to move him at all & had to be so forceful shaking it I gave up. Humphrey had already decided I was his safe place! His offspring came in 2013 & 14. Kirk & Holy Moley have shared part of each day with me since. I've never tried join up with either of them. Recently I shared a situation we had - it's in " is it necessary to teach a horse to bend it's body ". You may be able to build all the trust you need with Rosie without formal join up. It will take time & I strongly advise you study her carefully so you know her body language. The ability to ' read ' this horse is key. To be able to spot the moment when she starts to worry & to revert to an activity she's comfortable & familiar with will win you her undying loyalty. Apollo was part Arab. They are very intelligent & quick to learn. Apollo was 38 when he died. We had 24 years together. Rosie is only 6. Relax, take all the time you need. You most likely have plenty of it. Please keep in touch. Cheers, Jo.
Jo is a master with her horses. In their eyes, she has stood the TEST OF TIME, and she receives so much communication from them. RECEIVE IS THE OPERATIVE WORD HERE. When in the company of our horses there is, for the most part, a sending of and receiving of messages [thought process] with both the horses and the human. This opportunity that you have with your mare has the ability to shape two worlds - YOURS AND HERS. With some careful thought and planning on your part, you can create a DRAW for her, to your energy that could develop into a magical relationship. What I am talking about is the SPIRIT of unity that goes into a magical relationship between horse and human. This is what we all search for as we come to love our horses..
In your comings and goings with this mare, I would strongly suggest that you look toward the element of TIME each day as you decide to go to the barn to be with her.. All animals are instinctively connected to a moment in time. As anticipators, I believe that they prepare themselves for the next moment[ [they are seekers in their operating systems and we can use that instinct of theirs to adjust our approach to their world when we are with them [SHAPE THE PLAYING FIELD] in our favor].
My suggestion would be for you to be TIMELY ON A DAILY BASIS with every interaction that you have with this mare--[feeding watering, cleaning out of her stall, cleaning of the debris from her hooves and of course the conversations that you might have during all of these moments. By all means, ADJUST YOUR RECEPTION ATTENAE for her communication BACK to you. If you make a concerted effort with this approach for a week, you will find that her enthusiasm when she sees you walking toward her will continually increase. It would be like JOIN UP, only with a different approach. She will give you space in her mind because you are listening to her and you are TIMELY in your approach.
In St. Exupres` "THE LITTLE PRINCE" the fox says to the human the I must be tamed so they can be friends. Then the fox goes on to explain how the courtship of friendship can be developed. TIME is woven all through that explanation!!!!!
Sirid, please give your approach to this mare some thought, and by all means, keep us all posted. There is the beginning of a great story with you two.
Bud
I feel so overwhelmed in a good way after I have read your comments. I am happy and positive with this mare and also believe that trust will form with time.
Thank you so much for all your help and the information that you gave me, much appreciated. Wish I could have come and visit you Jo, to see and learn how you work with horses, but Africa is quite a way from America and also very expensive.
I will keep on working with Rosie and also learn to read her body language.
All the best for both of you.
Regards
Sigrid
Thank you for people like you and Bud that are willing to share your work and wisdom with us, where ever you are staying in the world, it is still a big help.
So far Rosie stands and eat while I place grass in her feed tub, can't touch her yet but she accepts me near her by giving her food.
Hopefully I can share some more good news with you soon.
Sigrid
I have read with much interest about Rosie and the advice and approaches recommended to build the relationship between Rosie and Sigrid.
so valuable and really opens up my mind to find suitable solutions that will result in a happy and trusting horse and a human that can provide for her needs or other horses in similar situations.
Yesterday I watched live a Grand Prix Kür Dressage test. The horse had only one eye, the right eye. I was scoring for the dressage judge at B, so I was right up close. The partnership between horse and rider was evident and lovely to watch.
Cheers, Bella
Thank you for your kind words and sharing the story about the dressage test. I am going to see if I could see a video of that dressage test somewhere.
Rosie is coming to me when I call her and she walks behind me but she still doesn't wants me to touch her. I believe there is already progress and work and wait with patience until she is ready.
Sigrid
Yes, I started to work on that but I still have to be patient. She sometimes ignores me and turn her bum on me but I will keep on working on the advance & retreat.
Thanks
Sigrid
The horse is called Dresscode Black, and is based in Austria with rider Amanda Hartung.
He is 11 years old.
I couldn't find any vids of the test to share with you....
Advance and retreat sounds good, looking forward to hearing more about your bonding.
Cheers
Bella
I went out to California in October for the Join Up course. Another woman taking the course had just brought Tilley, her one-eyed much loved mare, to the farm to retire. She did a Join-Up with Tilley and then was kind enough to let me try it as well when the instructor, knowing that I have a blind horse at home, suggested it. Out of all the horses we had the privilege of working with, Tilley was the easiest Join Up by far for me. I'm used to making an on going clicking sound with my tongue when I work around my own horse so that he always knows where I am in space. With Tilley, I found that keeping that steady clicking noise going kept her aware of me and where I was at all times. When I wanted her to go faster, I raised the volume and speed of my clicking. When I lowered the volume and speed, she'd instantly react by slowing down and would continue to slow in rhythm with the clicking. I found that her semi-blindness worked in favor of Join Up because she locked in that much more, was looking that much more for connection right from the moment I released her and sent her away.
Now, all that said, the major difference between Tilley and your horse is that she has a very close relationship with her owner and so is already interested in and trusting of humans. Even though I was a total stranger, she was very receptive to a conversation with me. I suspect, however, that despite the difference in handling, your horse will have the same heightened sensitivity to interaction. That may in some ways make it more difficult initially - ie there may be a finer threshold at which she retreats - but I think having her uber-tuned in will ultimately be a plus for you.
I hope you'll update us all on how it 's going. I'm so interested to hear what you and she discover together.
all best to you,
Maeve in New York
With Platypus, I make a distinct whistle to let him know that I'm approaching his field or his stall and he almost always answers me. I only whistle as an alert of my arrival. Over the two years he's been losing his vision, I've been very consciously developing a vocabulary of distinct sounds with him. (and yes, he still gets all kinds of loving human words said to him too but I know the sound of those mean more to me than to him!)
Rosie had a foal a month ago so I didn’t do much work with her. When the foal is old enough I will start with Rosie again. She is very accepting of me to be around her foal and she is so close I could touch her but she still doesn’t want me to touch her. I will just keep on working to get it right.
Thanks again for all the advice, much appreciated.
My best to you
Bud