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Hi. The day after the first vets visit I couldn't catch Bo & yesterday was exactly the same. He would come to me but zipped away when presented with halter or line. So he & I got lots of calm exercise - about an hour before I packed it in. Later, when I checked them all at night, Bo too came over but I ignored him, fussing my other four hugely. I'm hoping he will get the message. We will see what today brings. Cheers, Jo.

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Hi. Today brought rain. I don't rug my guys & when wet I don't expect them to do anything so today was a none starter - except I gave Bo equal attention, again. Interesting, as there was better acceptance of the babies & less aggression, not so much striding around & bottom biting. So, perhaps not such a wash out as Inthought.! Cheers, Jo.

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Sounds like an interesting horse. Some can really be a handful, can't they. I like the idea of not paying attention and he came around. In one of Monty's videos he has a young man from Canada go into a pasture to "catch" a horse and sure enough it couldn't be caught. It was fun to watch this dance. Finally when he paid attention to the others the one he wanted came easily. Sounds to me as though you know what you are doing.
Love hearing your posts. Hope all goes well with the vet. May I ask what will be done if he is a partial?
The reason I ask is one of my daughters horses was gelded older and he was never the same horse. He seemed to loose trust in everything. Poor little!e guy.
My heart goes out to you and this horse. If people could only see the damage they cause by violence.
Good for you for caring.

vicci - UK (North Wales)
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Hi Jo - what a challenge for you. I think you need to go carefully with this situation. You can't be his place of safety and his place of pain i.e. when you get me, the vet comes, and then it hurts! :-) It is a dilemma.
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I have heard of desensitising to needles for taking blood etc. by incrmentally snapping elastic bands over the vein site as it mimics the tapping and sharp, quick "nick" that the needle makes - obviously we don't want to inflict pain so start off gently and work up. Also, distraction helps. When I was a nurse and had to give children injections I may tell them to cough or shout out and time the injection to coincide with it and then it was all over. (i never told them it wouldn't hurt - I told them it would be quick).
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Darting is a seriously possible answer but very expensive as only suitably qualified persons can use a gun/dart but the advantage is that he doesn't associate you with the pain/problem.
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I suppose the other thing we have to ask; does it matter if he is a possible rig? Only you can answer that in terms of his behaviour but if the blood tests were inconclusive...? How sure are you that this may be a reason for it as against his rather forceful personality? I have a friend whose stallion is a sweetie but the son of this stallion (who is gelded) is just not my cup of tea sadly. he is beautiful but his personality does not suit and we can't get on...it happens sometimes; there's nothing wrong with him and his owner works with him really well but I find his temperament unsuitable. Just some thoughts Jo, let us know how you get on

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Hi. The revisit is postponed until next week - lack of drug required. If he is a rig I will take the vet's advice. He is like the human teenager from the 'wrong side of the tracks' - my yearling filly thinks he's the bee's knees. He hounds the rest at times. Yesterday was interesting. I took a brush & started to groom Max, loose. We were soon joined by Miss Moley so once done I progressed to her. Then her two year old brother, Kirk, came over so, once done, I moved on to him. Bo started to show interest. Humphrey too came across the field. When I moved on to brushing Humphrey, Bo was showing great interest & ended up with his muzzle planted on my shoulder! Humphrey is a broad boy so brushing him takes time. By the time I was done Bo was quiet, calm & responsive so I decided to just brush him & not use the equipment. This was most successful & we ended on a really positive note - Bo & Humphrey wandered away & I played with the two youngsters, neither of whom are really bothered by anything new if it's introduced carefully. Kirk was gently cinched up for the first time but continued to eat grass & Miss Moley ( yearling filly ) had the strap held round her body without fear. Once Bo gets to that stage we will be making serious progress. Thank you for your thoughts & help. Cheers, Jo.

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Hi. We've had an eventful time. Over the last few days Bo has been mounting Miss Moley & grabbing her by the base of her neck. She's standing for him but he seems confused about what to do next - he's so much bigger than her & I was really worried she would be injured, to the point that I contacted the SSPCA, who wouldn't take him & the ILPH who also wouldn't take him. Thankfully, it all seems to have calmed down now & no obvious injuries. However, I think we can safely assume we don't need the other test - Bo's a rig! I'm arranging for him to go to the large animal clinic for investigation. Perhaps some testicular material has been left & removing this will help him be calmer. I bought Bo to try & give him a new & better start in life, so he could find his forever home with someone knowledgeable & caring. I didn't expect him to join my little herd - he was placed with a friend of mine but that arrangement didn't work out as they couldn't cope with him & I had to bring him home. Looks like I'm going to be stuck with Bo for considerably longer than I originally thought. This could turn into a very long thread. Cheers, Jo.

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Hi Jo - oh dear, it does sound like he's a rig. We will support you all the way I'm sure! At 3 years old it is possible his 'stallionesque' behaviours are not too ingrained but it needs addressing asap: I have known a rig to continue these behaviours even after treatment as it had become a learned response, however, I have encountered very few so can't generalise. Good luck Jo, an expensive project I fear.

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