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Leading with the Dually

Hello!

I have been doing lots of ground work with my 3 year old brumby, mainly to build his confidence. One of the big issues I am having is that he will not lead. To be more specific, he 'leads' as per Monty's lessons on leading, but will not go beyond the walk. I have tried and tried, and he simply will NOT trot in the event i want him to follow me. I am using the dually and have watched the lessons over and over again. Just to make sure it is not me, I have tried it on a few other horses and yes, the dually works for this sort of thing. Just not with my boy it seems. Once I managed to get a slow trot of him for no more than 2 metres, and that was it. Please help, as I have no idea what else i can do???

Miriam (Holland&Germany)
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Hi Jordyn,
-Did you try to lead him from another horse, so he should be going alongside the horse you're riding?
-Did you watch the "Centaur"series here on the Uni? These lessons might help you and your brumby.
-I'd like to know if he trots when in the field or paddock, is he sound?
-Did you do Join-Up with him? Did he trot in the roundpen?
-Some horses react different to the pressure on the bridge of the nose, is your Dually fitting properly? It might even be a "into pressure"-reaction.
-You probably don't know much about his past, he might have had some bad experience being caught.
A lot of questions! They might help with finding the reason why he's not willing to trot in hand.
Miriam

MaggieF, Melbourne - Australia
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It would be great to have answers to all these questions Miriam has asked as good starting point.

Jordyn
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Hi.. to answer your questions, I'm leading him from the ground as he is not broken to saddle yet.
I have not watched the series, but will certainly do so.
He is very sound, no probelms being a normal horse in the paddock. He is happy to trot and canter in round pen, very successful with join up.
The dually is fitted as per Monty's instructions. It could be into-pressure, you're right and this is something that I may need advice on.

Miriam (Holland&Germany)
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Hi Jordyn,
regarding the into pressure: keep the pressure up, until you get the slightest relief, then reward immediately! Sometimes it might be just a "leaning over" as a first try out of the pressure. As soon as he get's the idea of how to relieve the pressure, he'll be lighter and lighter. It's your hands that will show him the way, but breathing right might help too, so show him with a good sigh that he's doing the right thing.
Keep us posted!
Miriam

Jordyn
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Hi Miriam, he is coming off pressure without any problems when I'm in a walk and walk a bit faster. However it's when i want him to trot that he will stop, the dually will do it's thing, he will come off the pressure and walk towards me. He will not trot. I'm at a loss as to why he will not trot. He will do it if someone taps him on the bum from behind or claps their hands behind him. Just not when i'm trying to lead him. Maybe Monty knows the answer to this one?

Mel - Ramsgate UK
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Hi Jordon
where are you looking when you ask for trot and what is your body doing?
If you look back at the dually this could be confusing him and he thinks you are asking him to stop.
Always look forwards to where you are going the same as if you are riding him.
I would cease getting someone to do stuff behind him, that's not teaching him to listen to you and the dually.
focus on ensuring his head is in the sweet spot before you ask for trot, get him happily in a forward walk and ensure he stops in the sweet spot when you ask woah, once you have these flowing smoothly to ask for trot by slightly move your arm forward and lean your body as if you are about to jog yourself and ask trot or trot on, which ever you prefer. He won't do this on the first time so stop and dually with a gentle hand backwards a few steps. Wait for him to asses what's happened, reward him for standing still, then repeat the exercise again.:
Forward walk with his head in the sweet spot, lean forward as if you are going to trot and ask for trot. Make sure when he does trot that after a few strides ask for woah, then reward him. If you consistently do this he will learn it.
Do not if he doesn't come with you try pulling him, he has to learn this himself and he will, :D
Mel
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Miriam (Holland&Germany)
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Hi Jordyn and all,
Did you watch the lessons on Intrinsic Horse Training by Florian Oberparleiter on this Uni?
As Mel describes, your bodylanguage and the direction of your eyes are critical to help the horse understand what is being asked of him. I'm sure that as a young foal he tritted alongside his mother, she knew how to show him what to do. So we have to learn to give the right signals, and let them feel it's good.
In his lessons Florian shows us how to ask for forward motion without a leadrope on, imagine how good that would feel! This is a great opportunity to finetune your bodylanguage.
Keep us posted!
Miriam

Mel - Ramsgate UK
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Little note on Florian, if you email him for anything he does reply to your emails :D

Jordyn
Hello!

Excellent advice from everyone, thank you. I haven't got to Florian's lessons yet, so i will watch them before i get out there to have another go. Thanks again and I will let you know when I am successful!

darren.atkinson
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Hi

I have used the green dually halter for the first time today on my daughters pony. He seems to respond well to the sweet spot but when I ask him to move forward with me at speed i.e. a trot, he bites the lead line metal clip and also the dually halter ring. I have adjusted the poll position of the halter so the noseband is under his cheekbones. I then have to stop. Put my finger in his mouth so he releases them.

Any suggestions please?

JoHewittVINTA
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Hi Darren. You do not say whether you did a Join up first. If not, please study the lessons & do this - it's really worthwhile. Now, assuming that you've achieved Join up I suggest you do what I found works, when the pony grabs the equipment immediately go into reverse. This takes the pony into a mostly unnatural direction & also takes the equipment away from the mouth, making it much harder for them to do this. Cheers, Jo.

vicci - UK (North Wales)
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Hi Darren - if you have used the Dually for the first time on your pony you may be rushing things a bit much :-) Get used to walking and as Jo says reversing first so that your pony gets used to it; it's new for him too :-) If he quickly learns that holding it in his mouth stops the pressure then it will become a habit. It sounds as if you need to work on your technique some more - it's the release of pressure that is as important as the application of it so as soon as he speeds up even a bit ease off but for now, stay in walk and getting him used to lots of changes in direction. Watch the Dually series many times, I have watched them over 20 times and I am still refining how I use it :-) Good luck, keep us posted.