Help, I bought Romeo a gypsy vanner from a couple that could not train him. Romeo ruled at their house. They couldn't even walk him on a lead properly. So my trainer and I have done exactly as Monty does. In fact my trainer is the one that told me about Monty. We have the dualy halter from day one. We started him in the round pen exactly as Monty does. It has been 5 months. My trainer is old school and is of the mind set that if not trained properly they can hurt you. Because Romeo has been spoiled by humans his whole life with treats etc he does not fear humans or respect them. Not that I want hime to fear me, but I am trying to be his leader.  when I try to establish the leadership role without force or whips he literally will stand there when I ask him to back up. Even my trainer, even another trainer. I've asked them to work with Romeo the way Monty does. Everyone is at a loss. Romeo is only 4 so it's not that he's that old. I have my trainer 3 times a week. We work with him the best we can but it's really hard, because he is so stubborn. He will not do anything we ask of him. Is my trainer qualified? She has been working with horses for over 40 years. So yes I have a very experienced trainer.  He's never turned to charge, and seems sweet but a couple times recently when I walk out and he comes to greet me he trys to nip at me. It's not in an agressive way it's more like a playful way but still I feel this could escalate.   I used my whip to get him to back away from me. He tossed his head and moved away but then in the next few minutes he's right in my space again. He's incredibly sweet and does not have a mean bone in his body. Sadly he was never trained properly in his early years and now even after 5 months of training he still will not back up when we ask him to. We do have him under saddle, and he is coming along ok but it's the day to day walking him on a lead rope, getting him to understand to not walk behind me to the point of stepping on me, nipping me. I don't want him to fear me to the point he won't come to greet me, but also he does need to respect my boundaries and he doesn't.  I would love to know, if he needs continued round pen work? We tried just walking him around the property. He will not listen unless we correct him strongly. And that is hard for me to do because I do not believe in force, or violence. Not sure what to do at this point.