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Horse Behavior and Training

aggressive and dominant behavior horse

Hello! 100 lessons completed

When I train my horse on a long rein and make him gallop, he does not want and he turns to me quickly and angry. Most of the time he gets up and throws slaps.. I tried to continue forward despite turns and becomes entangled in the ropes, but he tries again and again. How I can do to make the horse gallop accept and not the back?

vicci - UK (North Wales)
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Im sorry I'm not quite following this, what does "he gets up and throws slaps" mean? Are you on one long rein or two? Can you tell us some more about the horse.

horse_cave
Hello! 100 lessons completed

I'm on two long rein. My horse don't go forward, he turn back to me and he raise in both hands. He won't go gallop. So, i've tried to take him fordward, but he does it again. what can i do?

vicci - UK (North Wales)
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If your horse won't go forward it there can be two things going on. (1) If you are in a round pen, your positioning is probably accidentally incorrect - you may be getting too far in front of him and blocking his forward path. (2) If you are in a square/rectangle school/out in the open it may be that you are too far behind him (like a cart driving position) and he is nervous to go ahead and is looking for reassurance - if this is the case, have someone lead him at the front as well as you longlining at the back until he gets more confidence then the leading person can gradually step back. If you are doing it in circles, again, check your position (as above) A couple more questions... Are you longlining in a bit or Dually? what is he like at walk and trot? Are you pulling on his mouth too much to keep him on the circle? Just a few thoughts to be going on with - its really hard to answer this without seeing it but hopefully its something to think about.

Rudi - Pratteln, Switzerland
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My basic idea would be to create small steps of learning. First: moving the horse without any equipment (despite the halter), walk - trot - canter. Second: the same with the saddle. Third: introducing long lines with your body language as if there is nothing added. Don't forget to give big rewards. Your first aim the first day could be: walk in both directions.
Rudi

Mel - Ramsgate UK
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Adding another question, how old is the horse, what breed and how long have you had him?

We have a youngster that was doing the same and we've had to change how we lunge him, he still needs someone to run around with him even though he is good on the dually, lunging is not coming naturally to him. He is Welsh D x Arab and has an Arab temperament.

If you could tell a bit more history of you horse please?

horse_cave
Hello! 100 lessons completed

My horse is three years . Is my partner since he was born and I worked with him slowly . I started to join up, each step well done , and getting the goals . After I've been working with two long reins to one side and then the other , trot and walk , changing direction with the horse body language and then using the reins. I put the saddle , working without reins, and after two long reins , but when I ask him to canter , he makes angry gestures with their ears and their body language. His name is Captain , he cooperates in all the work I do with him, and is always loving and kind . When he refuses to gallop , I try to keep him in the direction , though he tries to turn and get up on two legs, and try to get him to canter and then back to trot and walk. I never asked him gallop. We have always worked trot and walk . Every time we get a goal i reward him . He is a little vague and lazy. He has never done anything strange walking and trotting , it costs a bit, but always ends up doing . Also, every time I ask him to trot, always head down to the ground, I do not understand if he expects us to stop work or what ...Thinking about the whole process of work, I think I've done everything with patience and tranquility, never in a hurry, each step slowly. Each objective with several lessons ... I think the problem is that he is lazy and does not want to gallop, he gradually accepted that also has to work the gallop. Working every day, asking to continue forward, he understood that his reward is to stop working. What do you Think About That?
Thanks for your advice. :)

horse_cave
Hello! 100 lessons completed

Capitan is Pure Spanish horse, i forgot to tell this. thanks!

mgd
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Hi! Does he canter ok in a field, or when he is loose? Can he canter around the round pen with no lines? Bigger horses can find it difficult to keep canter going for more than one circuit. If he can do all that and there is no physical problem with canter, then he may be attached to you like join up but does not let you "be the chairman", and he may be dictating what happens without you realizing it. You say you are rewarding him every time he gets a goal - how are you doing this?

Mel - Ramsgate UK
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where you said "keep him in the direction and at that point he turns and rears" he has become defensive so there may be something in your body language that has turned you into a threat rather than a leader.

Do you do inhand work at walk, trot and canter, if yes how does he respond to you when you ask for canter when you are leading him?

Mel x

Mel - Ramsgate UK
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also :D when he drops his head what do you do at this point?

horse_cave
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To Mgd:
  Hello. Yes, he gallops well in the field and when it is loose. Also he can canter around the round pen without reins. I think you're right in that he makes the rules and I did not realize. I reward him with a rub when he does well. MGD Thanks :)

horse_cave
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Hi Mel:
I do not know if my body language is a threat to him because I do not use whip, nor treated badly. I use a single rope, and I try to remove him through the sound of the rope and my body language. But maybe you could be right, I think I am going to analyze and to record my movements and body language of Captain.
In hand work, just walking and trotting sometimes, but it's true that it could also be a solution. He responds well walking. I analyze everything.
As for when he lowers his head, I do nothing, just continue with what we are doing, I know he wants to tell me something, I know he wants to stop, then I think he is asking me to go more slowly, but he trots slowly and does not want to, but he always lowers his head when we started, and we have not got to do one lap! oh my god: (
Mel thank you very much :)

horse_cave
Hello! 100 lessons completed

Today I've been working with Captain, first without any equipment, then on two long reins. And he cooperated without reins at first, but then he turned to me and got angry. I tried to get him to go ahead, through body language and the sound of the rope, but he ignored me, he tried to avoid me at all times, when I moved into his flanks he avoids me, and he reacted angrily, with bad gestures. So, I could not control their movements. I do not know how to solve this. He does now increasingly. Do You think I should start again from the beginning?
  Thanks!

Mel - Ramsgate UK
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Hi, glad you analyse what you do, it's the best way to learn if we are interpreting correctly to our horses.
i would say step back and bring him back into his happy area, i'm not sure if you've heard Monty say that "slow is fast" but now that Captain has started being agressive at that point of training, he might feel that is what he is expected to do, by bringing him back into his happy zone you'll be able to build on what you have achieved and build the quality time with him. So although it may seem you are not achieving quickly, in the long run you will achieve what you want him to do because he feels happy in that area.
I would also do some in hand work with the dually and work on you verbal comands plus body language.
when I work with our guys if my feet stay put, so should theirs and in their own body space not mone. when I ask for a walk on from stand still, i put myself in the sweet spot at their head, I'm looking in the direction i'm going and ask for a walk on, again their feet move because mine start to do so and their heads stay at my shoulder, to work up to trot my first movement is to lean slightly forward, then ask trot on, then I trot. for canter if you can imagine taking a forward seat position even though you're on the ground then ask for canter and start to do the canter movement yourself, he will get to recognise the change in pace and word recognition. Being that you're back in the happy zone, Captain should stay with you at these 3 paces in hand, then once you're confident he is listening in hand, especially to canter then try again in the circle school.
with captain dropping his head straight away, he's already anticipating join up so is jumping ahead of you. If you change the routine a bit when you want to lunge and see if that changes it for you.
Do you have someone who could record you training for you to watch afterwards?

remember to keep safe!

x

Lenore
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Hey horse_cave, I would really like to help you with this. The comments so far have been really good and knowledgeable. I'd like to throw in my 2 cents in hope it will help. It sounds like the horse is not trying to be bad or angry but is confused, this sounds like his confusion to the reins, because he is listening to you without them. With longlining it is really easy to catch the horse in the face and they get signals for go and stop at the same time. I can't explain it well but read this article by Dr Andrew Maclean http://www.aebc.com.au/articles/28/
I would suggest give him a break from longlining, or longline him with just a halter and be sure the lines are slack at all times, especially when he is being told to go forward and only apply pressure when he is to slow down. Or just work him loose in the roundpen and under saddle.

Lenore
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Mel we posted at the same time! I like your dually idea

horse_cave
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thank you so much!!!, I'll put your advice into practice and I will tell you what happened with Captain. :)