Maybe your body language was not clear enough or had too much pressure in it, so he thought there was no space to flee. Every horse knows his language from birth, so I don't think he didn't get it.
Perhaps it would be helpful for you, if a friend took a shooting of you. At home you can study your own way of communication with horses and compare it with Monty's way then.
Another question would be, if there is anything frightening for the horse around the ring.
Think about this.
Good luck!
Best regards,
Jasmin

Well my round pen isn't really round more oval shaped and I thought maybe if I penned it off some it might work. I havn't tried it yet and I guess my fear is I screw up so much that I'm never going to get it.

The key words that stood out to me were "chasing him around the ring." That action alone would tell shine you were a predator that he should be threatened by... thus the bucking and kicking. I had a similar situation and what I found to be helpful was before releasing I touched and rubbed what Monty calls his vulnerable areas his shoulders withers and vascular areas in the hind then upon releasing I looked him in the eye made myself look large raised the halter and lead rope up slapped my thigh and off he went now he tried to turn come in and kick and buck again but I just held out a lunge whip straight as an extension of my arm to keep him out staying behind his balance point as soon as he stayed out and was going round my hand lowered if he tried to come in and kick my hand would extend directly out no chasing not touching just one long extension of my arm an imitation of how another horse would extend their neck toward a herd member pressuring them to move out of their space..it was amazing soon he lowered his head gave me an ear licked and chewed then I completely dropped the lunge whip perfect join up! I hadn't realized he had seen me as a predator before because I was in fact chasing after him. As Monty says Horses are the best teachers they know their language and love when we understand them. I can't wait to hear how Shine responds:)

Maybe your horse is an orphan and he never had a mother to teach him his language.Talk to his previous owners.Good luck!

Well I dont think he was an orphan but then again I don't know for sure becasue I have only had him about 3 years. I guess my problem is theres so much to keep in mind while doing join up that what if i forget something? And I keep getting it wrong? Then what do I do?

I am very new to all of this. I have had our 2 geldings for one week now. One of them, an 18yo, tries to dart in at me at times with a little buck.. challenging me I guess.... and I raise my arms and flap the rope and he goes off again. He does all the 4 gestures but does not face up even.. just stops but doesn't turn in toward me. After reading stinsonclan's comment Im thinking that maybe I am being too agressive... just too much pressure. He slows down at the gate to our round pen to get to the other gelding friend and this is where I pressure him more and he kicks out. Also, I am hearing so much doubt in you.... "what if I forget something? And keep getting it wrong?" I imagine your horse is also sensing this as well.

On the same note, it is possible that my horse is sensing my own fears and doubts about join up and so it's just not working right now. I've tried 2 times.

I know I'm doubting myself but I don't think I can do this alone......and Shine is also so pushy when you lead him and I can't get him to listen. He is such a bossy horse it's so difficult for me not to doubt myself that he's going to join-up with me because he's so much bigger than me....

Okay, alukcik. I think I can see your problem.
First time you answered me, you said that your round pen is more oval shaped than really a round pen. Do never worry about this. My "round pen" is angled, and my join-ups did work as well as Monty's in a real round pen.
The other point you told me is that you think that you might have screw up too much and you might never have success. You must never think this! Horses excuse everything, but they do never forget.
I would say your problem is that you are doubting too much. Comparing the situation with beeing afraid of a dog he recognizes your unsureness and fear, so he will bite you even more. It's the same thing with any animal.
If you don't think you can do it alone, think about a friend who might help you. If I had a friend wanting to do join-up but is doubting, I would show him/her. I did it with my mother as well, and I would also like to help you. But I think it might be a problem, that most students of this University are from all over the world, and so you are probably not from Germany like me.
So, if I can help or support you any way, ask me. Everybody and every question is welcome, also if I have no idea. I'm not a know-it-all! ;-)
Best regards!
Jasmin

I agree that relaxation is key. Watch Monty -- he stays incredibly relaxed and focused! He doesn't run or shout, and a little buck doesn't bother him.

From your post, it sounds like working with a more experienced person might help. Video also would be a good idea. Good luck, and be safe!

Hi again.
Because you've shown a lot of unsureness and doubts to yourself until now, I took a previous look at the new video. Maybe this can help you. It's about doing Join-Up if you don't have a round pen like in your case.
Monty does it in a big arena, and he also stays relaxed like in the round pen, even as the horse called "Big Brown" kickes at him. Take a look at it and forget every doubt and unsureness you felt before. I know it is not easy, but please try it. After you watched the video "Join-Up without a round pen" and lost your fears just try it again.

Ya, I see what your saying....all i do know is that where I live, no one believes in these ways. Theres are making the horse respect you ( sort of like this does ) but in a harsher way. But I am surprised that they are the most well behaved horses I have ever seen. They do love there horses alot but don't like it when the horses push them around.

I think you should stop seeing horses like humans. Horses do not push people around (only very special horses with special problems like Monty works with). I think it is perspicious, that horses don't like to be forced to do something, like it is normal in most riding schools. Horses want to cooperate, that is part of their nature. But they do not want to be forced to do anything. If you earned their trust, they start beeing. I think this might be interesting to think about it ...
Jasmin