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Cinchy

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Hi! I would love to see a lesson on the remedial problem of a horse who has gotten a bit cinchy. I had my gelding checked by the chiropractor and was told there is no physical problem. I must have cinched up to quickly at some point. 😳 He kicks out slightly and nods his head initially when i first start fastening even tho i go slow and not tight at first. Then he gets over it, even when i do tighten.😕? I have tried cinches in neoprene, felt and have tried cinch covers, i even made one, those things don't seem to help. 
He has formed a habit or ritual which i would like to rid him of.
JoHewittVINTA
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Hi. This issue is covered in Monty's book From My Hands To Yours. I'm going to suggest you spend a little bit of time on this whilst not saddling up & riding. Gently place the saddle on his back & distract him by scratching his withers & neck. When he relaxes remove the saddle momentarily. Then repeat & repeat & repeat. Progress slowly, incrementally. Place the saddle & drop the cinch down his side. Stop. Scratch hugely. Put the saddle on & draw the cinch around him & release when he relaxes. May I remind you your breathing & attitude need to be under control & you need to keep your eyes away from his whilst staying fully aware of his reactions. Whilst this sort of behaviour is frustrating for you, by making saddling up a time of relaxation & pleasure for your horse, even including pieces of carrot in a bucket as a reward & distraction. You have probably correctly identified the cause so I suggest you always remain mindful that you pinched him in the first place - he's just reminding you not to do it again. Good luck & let us know how you get on. Cheers. Jo.
pcarvercorso
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Thanks for taking the time to respond.
 I will be sure to be more aware when tacking up.
 Thanks for the ideas. He will like the carrots in the bucket one. I did find the section in Monty's book. I think i may try and use those rubber exercise colored things they give you in physical therapy. I will use those as a sort of cinch (not when mounted), and i am going to try and have fun with it. He is playful and likes me to swing the bit slowly at him when i put on the bridle. To him and the donk everything is a game.
 When i look back i think the top of the cinch ring came more and more off the top of the cinch and "bit" him. I also took for granted his tolerance and got going too fast. Thanks again 
pcarvercorso
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Hi, progress report,
Been putting a belly band on my horse at feeding time. My husband made me a 18in band with webbing straps out of an old bedspread. On top of that goes old cinch upside down at withers. The first week i used physical therapy elastics under his cinch area. Next week i put my NEW! cinch (fleece and foam with alot of material above the cinch rings)on instead of elastic. The elastic did kinda roll a bit. I have been fastening the new cinch to the upside down one not tight at mealtime. He is distracted and it sounds like im cinching up. No problem.
I continue to do that at meal time but have also started working with him without his hay distraction. During these 5 times so far, i put the saddle on top of the cinches and belly band. It is free, no latigo or off billet (those i am already using to hook old cinch to new cinch). So the saddle just sits on top although i made a sort of straight breast plate out of another old cinch and some stirrup leathers for tugs, which helps balance the saddle. Now in these lessons i cinch up still not too tight, give him a scratchin and lead him in a small circle, repeat. The first time i over did it and did get some diminished cow kicks. I was disappointed. Now I have only been doing it 3-4times in a row end of that lesson.  Afterward i also have been pulling the latigo up and down to the rhythm of eeny meany miney mo catch a pony ........that rhythm stuff is kind of play for him. Still not too tight of pulls but more than when cinching.
Waiting out the time doing this till new felt saddle pad comes in, so hopefully everything feels new. Then the more real saddle cinch up starts. 🙏
I can't figure how to distract with food when working things with the saddle; i don't feed from hand, don't want his head do  and am afraid he will think im rewarding him if he gives me a cow kick or head bob.....so i give him scratches.
I will check back during next phase.
Happy horsing!!
JoHewittVINTA
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Hi. Liking your update - that's progress. No need to feel disappointment. Training is about gently & progressively nudging the boundaries. There will be days when your horse feels overextended. When that happens you remain calm, remove the pressure, reassure with scratching & restart the training at a point you know your horse is happy & comfortable. This builds trust as your horse realises you are their safe place & your judgment is worthy of their respect. This will take time because, for this horse, this is the first time for them with you but once you have established the bond any future 'bumps in the road' will be overcome more easily, based on the foundations you're now building. Great work. Cheers, Jo.
pcarvercorso
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Thank you Jo for your support and encouragement.
I did have a typo, should have said head down not head do.
Also for clarity when pulling up the latigo during the rhythmic exercise, the latigo was looped around the new cinch so i was bumping his girth area.
pcarvercorso
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Hi from cinchy land. Update. Got the new saddle pad and it is great. I also changed out my latigo and off billet, plus my new cinch. If nothing else it was high time that got done. 

I let Ridge smell the saddle pad and wear it over top the belly band and double girth set up. No problems. I then outfitted my saddle and the time came to tack up. I was nervous but tried to catch myself and breath. Well I got some cow kicks and again felt the disappointment. The weather turned rainy so I just let it go for almost a week, thinking toward plan B. 
(One thing i believe i did feel was that he was responding out of habit and was not in any pain with the new tack. I also saw that he laid off the kicks a bit if i said nooooh or ah,ah,ah when he started up.)

I got a tall five gallon bucket and flipped it making a kind of table. I cut up some carrot pieces.  When he kicked out i would say noooh and back him up or if he started to move ah,ah,ah. I would not be too agressive backing him up, (using the dually). When he allowed me to cinch up without a kick i would give him carrot piece on the "table", praise him quietly, scratch him and lead out into our little victory circle. This has been a great help and today even with the flys he was able to hold still mayb 85% of the time. I practice it four or five times a session. I also have ridden him in this smaller area a couple of the times so i know i have tacked up tight enough.  So the carrots are used as rewards, but the thought that he might earn one also does distract him.

Pretty well pleased, but there is always getting it better especially on my part with the breathing and relaxing. Sometimes I still have to pinch myself, i am still excited and can't believe i have a horse again after all these years ....and he reads this excitement in a worried way, although he should be used to it by now. He also stuffs his feelings until ....... boom what just happened! And I can't praise him like a cheerleader or it confuses him. So considering all that I have to stay calm and quiet and try to see how he feels. Not always easy for me! I have had him for almost eleven years now he has taught me so much and God has used him to teach me things too!

Happy trails,
Paula
 
Ps Ridge never pulled back. struck out or bit during his "cinchiness". He just gave me annoyed cow kicks and a head bob or two.....please if your horse is being agressive don't be reading my little experiment here, get professional help that you trust!!

JoHewittVINTA
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Hi Paula. So glad you're getting rewards for your hard work. Horses have a lot in common with us - they are all different characters & react in their own, different ways. We have an obligation to meet their needs, whatever they may be & where we are out of our depth, seek help for our own best interests & those of our horses. What we must all do is STOP & THINK, not BLAME. Once we banish the " then my horse did ............. for no reason " syndrome from our thinking forever, horsemanship will have truly advanced. Horses NEVER react for NO REASON. We may be unaware of the prompt but there was one & when we can detach our thinking & concentrate on finding our horses the SUPPORT they seek to overcome their FEARS & DEMONS then we will be so much better partners for them. After all is said & done, our horses had no say in picking the lives they lead & given that, as horse lovers surely we must work hard to make sure their lives are worth living. Cheers,Jo.