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Yearling - Scared of People and Farrier

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Hello - I have a yearling filly.  She has only been handled since December when I bought her. She is very fearful of people.  She will walk over tarps, try and eat plastic bags, play in puddles, I can bounce stability balls off her back but as soon as a stranger walks up to her she completely shies away. Eventually if they go slow enough they can pet her neck..   She is fine with me and people she gets to know but is awful with others especially the farrier which makes it impossible as of right now to do her feet.   Has anyone had experience with a young horse that was nervous around people, did it just take time? If you had farrier trouble did you just keep working at it? I keep trying to remember that she had no human contact as of four months ago but it seems to be taking quite some time 
whisperingequus
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Good question! It's normal/natural for such a youngster, especially one who is new to being handled to shy away from certain approaches, especially as everyone will do the approach differently. Obviously she trusts you, and she is going to look to you for calm strong leadership. With horses that shy, or are nervous, people make the mistake of being to "creepy" with their movements. Yes be slow, but be fluid, not creepy. And remember you are trying to reward any hint of the behaviour you want. So in her case, standing still not shying. Using advance and retreat, when people are approaching her it should be a passive approach, no eye contact, just before they reach the point of her shying, walk away. When they get a first touch, walk away! Rather than keep going. if you can direct people so that everyone works in the same way she will gain confidence and trust. Same lesson with the farrier. But before the farrier gets there she needs a similar lesson of picking up feet etc. Watch the videos on preparing your horse for the farrier and advance and retreat methods. Yes it can take time with some horses, but with a youngster who's just beginning to learn, once she understands the lessons her trust and confidence will grow quickly. Good luck. 
bahila73
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Hello Markie and welcome.  Chris gives expert advice and there is not much to add other than to reinforce what has already been said.  Markie , you are KEY in establishing the confidence in your yearling with other humans and their approach into her space.  I am a long time breeder of horses and also a working farrier.  This is the approach that I would use:
#1 Get the filly use to balancing on three legs.  Start with the back legs after she is quietly standing by your side.  I always start with the back legs  because I believe that it is easier for the young one to balance.   Drop the lead-line by your side so that if she moves you can grab it and regain control of the moment.  This is a critical time in the lesson and could be the only part that is accomplished at this time; so go slow with reassuring scratches by her withers.  The human almost needs to have a mindset of message for pleasure as they  begin this procedure.  The touching of the back legs must be soothing. This will probably take about a week to accomplish, but will produce a very confident individual with respect to having their feet handled.  As a comment about the eventual farrier that will be used; it is imperative that that individual uses the approach that you have taken and is NOT in a rush to complete the job.  DO NOT BE HESITANT ABOUT RUNNING A FARRIER DOWN THE ROAD IF THEY CANNOT DEMONSTRATE  PATIENCE.  YOU ARE IN CHARGE OF HOW THIS FILLY WILL BE HER FEET BEING TRIMMED FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE.  Remember,  less is more.

 #2   With regard to finding a person to help you with someone new that would be entering into the filly`s space, use the approach that Chris writes about  [approach and retreat] slowly and methodically with scratches on the withers [not pats] as a reward.  Try and keep all of these lessons short in duration while looking for the slightest effort that the filly gives with respect to the intention of the lesson.  The only other thing that I might mention would be to remember to pause after each part of the lesson is completed.  This pause will give the filly time to reflect [to soak in].  The pause will come after the scratches [reward]

# 3 Remember Markie. in order for you to impart confidence in your filly for each lesson, you must be confident.  So take some time before starting  to plan the course of your communication while looking for what she might be offering.  THERE ARE GOLD NUGGETS TO BE FOUND IN WHAT THEY OFFER.

`Hope this helps

Bud
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Hi Markie. Welcome. I wholeheartedly agree with what's already been said. Regular Uni followers will know I have 2 homebred youngsters, Kirk, a gelding, who turned 4 last month & Holy Moley, my filly, who will be 3 years old in a fortnight. I have been in every day of their lives & they are confident, inquisitive individuals - but that wasn't always the case with Holy Moley. She was born in the field & unlike her brother, who was born in a livery yard & was visited by many people regularly, she took loads of time to accept people generally. The 4 weekly worming took 3 people for several months. One to hold Mum, Bella, one to calm & hold Miss Moley & a third to administer paste. The farrier had too much intent & I was taken away at speed - I don't think I've ever run faster in my life & I'm no spring chicken! However, time, patience & loads of love have rewarded me with ponies who crowd in when the vet, the farrier & visitors in general come - like a rugby scrum, really tight. They pick pockets, investigate anything new with enthusiasm & trust me enough to allow me to sit on their backs whilst they are lying down in the field, totally unrestrained & without any equipment on. Kirk will be starting his ridden career this summer & I'm confident we will both have fun with that. I believe the key is a little & often, be generous with praise & learn from the mistakes you will inevitably make, both you & your filly. Mistakes are opportunities & if you have mutual love & trust they are soon turned into positives. Lead but don't dominate, be in charge but allow freedom of expression & LISTEN. Your filly is telling you stuff about her concerns & needs all the time. If she says "NO" there's a reason. If your reaction is "No, this is happening today" then you've failed to meet her needs. Invite people to visit, people who aren't there for a specific reason. Have them put down a bowl with some carrot in it & retreat so the totally loose filly can decide to come closer. Repeat, gradually reducing the retreaded distance. If different people do this on numerous days you'll very soon have a filly who LIKES PEOPLE. Good luck & keep us updated. Cheers, Jo.
Miriam (Holland&Germany)
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Hi markie!
Welcome to the Uni and the forum!
Such wonderful advice here, there's only one thing that I would like to add from my experience with feral weanlings. Once you have her trust and can lead her, let somebody come into her space, retreat before she shies away, like Chris Morris describes so well. Then take for a small circle and return to the spot she was before. In moving her legs she learns that nothing hurt her and her eventual 'freezing' is over. Let the person come closer, at some point touch the withers and walk away. At that moment you'll start your little circle again, leading her to the original spot. Later you'll have to change location, so she generalizes what she has learned. As all others mentioned above, let different people with 'no agenda' help you on several days. You'll be surprised how quickly she learns that being with you and facing a new person is not a great deal...Later on your role will become smaller and smaller, but for now: be her safety! Do work with a Dually halter!
Take all time in the world, you'll gain so much by letting her process what she can learn.
Make it fun for her and for yourself!
Miriam
markie.boake
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Thank you all for all of your advice.  I appreciate all of the help.  I have actually got her to the point in the last couple of days where my father in law and my husband can both come up and pick up her feet. So she is progressing.   I can hold her feet in a farrier hold and file them.  Her problem seems to be with the farrier himself, she must know who he is. She had a traumatic experience when she was young so that could be it.  I guess we will keep working. It is nice to know that with patience this phase will hopefully pass by. I will take all of your advice into consideration while working with her.  I try and remember she is just a baby still she just turned one yesterday and she came so far from the wild untouched, scared baby I took home in December.  Patience and practice! 
bahila73
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Hi Markie; you have been  given wonderful advice here, and after looking at the dates of post, you have accomplished much in a short time.. I would like to comment a bit more to what Miriam suggested about walking a circle after you complete a portion [one leg] of the work that you intended.
When I am out on a farrier call, I always ask the owner to move the horse in a circle after completing the work on one leg.  I find that this movement produces a relaxation in the horse while giving a moment of pause for all three individuals involved.  It also gives me an opportunity to watch how the horse is presenting its self with each footfall.  This time seems to help the entire procedure while relaxing the horse.  If you can train your filly to stand in a relaxed fashion, the trimming will be easy.  I can help you with the particulars regarding the rasping.
Keep up the GREAT WORK
Bud
markie.boake
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Thank you. I didnt mention in the original post that I had already been working with her legs for probably 2 weeks.  Any other advice you have to keep her calm with the farrier is much appreciated. I will try walking in the circle.  I have tried to tie a raincoat on backwards as well as I don't have chaps and she seems fine with that.  The farrier is coming back out in about a week so I only have a little bit of time left to keep working with her.  She is toeing out all of the sudden on her front leg which is very worrisome so I am trying to get her trimmed as soon as possible to help. I have heard sometimes they toe out while young and it corrects itself later which I am hoping will be the case, when I bought her her legs were completely straight, she is a Percheron draft so will be growing for quite some time. Thank you all for your help.