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Horse Behavior and Training

Head Flicking

Hello!
My horse is flicking her head from left to right. She will do it as soon as I put a head collar on her and also while we are riding. It is very frustrating. Any advice on how to prevent this would be great.

Kicki -- Sweden
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Hi Forsythpeter,

You have probably done this already, but all I can think of off-hand is: check for a place where the head collar is uncomfortable for her! 

Could be it presses against a sore spot on her head (insect bite, chaffing, other hard to see abrasion/edema, tick..) , is too tight in the sides or on the poll, hangs too low down on her muzzle (my horse hates that!), or too high! , sore tooth/gum/inside of cheeks. Maybe the material of the head collar is too hard or been treated by something that either itches, stings or smells bad to her.

Horses usually shake their heads to get rid of things - flies, itchiness, allergies, fly-veils, ill-fitting things. You don't say if she is a young or old horse and whether or not she is new to a head collar or has had one before - and, if so, how that worked.

Since she doesn't shake her head at any other time I would rule out over sensitiveness to pollen and other things that get up their noses and can cause "head shaking syndrome".(In that case Nostril-Vet and a nose net might help.)

Forsythpeter
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Thanks Kicki.

Aurora is 9. We have had her for just over 3 months. She isn't new to a head collar and I don't believe she did the head shaking for the first 6 weeks that we had her. 

She does it both with a head collar and with her bridle. The head collar is definitely not too tight but sometimes the head collar is on quite loose so I can try to ensure it is not to loose in future. The bridle on the other hand fits correctly so wouldn't be loose. Its quite frustrating when she is flicking her head and your are on a hack.

Ive had the dentist to her just last week so that isn't the problem. She did need a couple of sharp teeth filed but the head flicking is still the same after his visit.

Do you think it might be linked to being in season. Strange question I know but only seemed to start this once she started coming in to season.

Kicki -- Sweden
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Not a strange question at all! Mares can do weird things when in heat, but it's hard to say without being able to watch you. It's possible, I guess, but then it should be coming and going with the turn of the cycle. 

Funny coincidence, I read this in an article at TheHorse.com earlier today. 
Not saying this applies to you and your horse, though!

When We Project Onto Our Horses

Sometimes owners believe their horses have issues that are actually just projections of the owners’ issues. Angelo Telatin MS, director of equine studies at Delaware Valley College, in Doylestown, Pennsylvania, says he sees often.
“We once had a rider who was convinced his horse had allergies because the horse was constantly tossing his head during work, especially in spring and summer,” he says. Following a veterinarian’s suggestion, he administered steroids to the horse (to eliminate all possible allergic reactions) without telling the rider. 
“If the horse drastically improved, we would know it was the horse, but if there was no change, we would know it was the rider,” Telatin says. 
Steroid treatment led to no behavioral changes, so Telatin revealed the “experiment” to the rider. “That convinced the rider, and so she started focusing on improving her contact with the horse’s mouth,” he says. “And the unwanted behavior disappeared.”

http://www.thehorse.com/articles/38493/is-it-my-horse-or-is-it-me?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=behavior&utm_campaign=06-04-2017

The excerpt is from a larger article called ""Is it my horse, or is it me?" I think yu should all look at it. Has some very good points and food for thought in it.
bahila73
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Hello Peter and welcome,  In reading through your written analysis about Aurora with regard to the steps [medically] that you have already done, I would suggest that you try to get her to lower her head with the head collar on and hold that lowerd position for a few moments.  Then praise if successful.  If she demonstrates that she can do this exercise without the shaking of her head ,i would massage the area along side the upper part of her neck [around the poll area] on both sides.  Then ask her to drop her head lower and for a longer period of time until you can get up to five minutes a session with her with the nose on the ground.  Horses carry their tension in this area of their body and that tension might tied to her being ridden.  Things happen with these horses that are not particularly pleasant for them, possibly from the previous owners if they were too handsey with the reins when she was looking for a release of bit pressure that was not forth- coming.  If this issue were to happen frequently while being ridden, she would quite possibly shake her head from habit while asking for a release of pressure from the rider that was NEVER to come   If this is the issue,  her trust of your hands has to be born.  The exercise that described above would go a long way to build up a trusted scenario between you two.  

The other issue that comes to mind is she could have pull-back problem and has strained part of her neck from the force of that pull-back.  There is such a tremendous force exerted on the poll and neck when this happens to a horse.  This is soft tissue for the horse and would take some time before the soreness would disappear.  If this was the case, the massaging would be very soothing for her.

You mentioned that you and Aurora have only been together for 3 months and she is nine yrs old.  That leaves a great deal of time in her life that she was NOT with you.  These horses are great at masking their pained areas of their bodies.  Talk to her and listen carefully, she might give you a clue as to what`s going on in her world.

At any rate, give some of these exercises a go and see what takes place for her;
Good luck with your search,

All the best
Bud 
Mel - Ramsgate UK
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Hi Forsythpeter 

Great advice from everyone and it is good to be back. Just adding my bit ;D 

From watching a horse that we are currently rehabilitating who flicks his head upwards as if in a nodding type method, on watching video back in slow motion he is trying to release tension around his scapular area and pectorals so try not to focus just on the head but where the muscles connect to the body. 

Flicking from left to right it is working the brachiocephalic muscles down the sides of the neck which pulls into the shoulders to the humerus helping pull the scapula forward and swings the foreleg forward. Saddle check to ensure Aurora is not restricting movement and when riding remember to keep light of hand, a strong hand will cause tension in the neck muscles which will have a knock-on effect on the body. Carrot stretches to help release any tension in the shoulders. 

It's all about the horse! 
Mel 
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Rosalike
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Hi Peter,

I have a similar issue with my new little mini.  She is 4 yrs old and has had little training so far.  I have only been doing ground work with her so far, and with the different exercises such as side passing or learning to give to the rein on either side, she is doing really well.  The moment I ask her to lead, however, she starts with the head flicking.  She hadn't learnt to lead before I got her, and I am yet to put the work in there, but feel with her it is a matter of being educated to lead.  Her resistance becomes more pronounced if I lead her in the opposite direction to her food bowl (a big no no for her!), if I lead her on the off side, or when I ask for a halt. The more a work with her the better she gets, but it seems to me she just hasn't learnt it yet.  Maybe yours is similar?  I would be interested to follow what happens with Aurora and what seems to help with her.  Will let you know what helps mine when we figure it out too.
All the best. 
Mel - Ramsgate UK
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Hi Rosalike, have you managed to go through the videos on ground manners yet? This will help you with the starting to lead. 

Mel 
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bahila73
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Hello Rosealike, after reading your last post on this thread, I would strongly suggest that you look in the direction of RESPECT when it comes to your mini.  This issue is absolutely essential for starting a horse, any horse, down the path of being with the human being.  I capitalize the word respect because there are so-oo many aspects of that word that are vitally important when it comes to training horses.  I see this as the number one issue when it comes to working with horses.

How does this come about?  The answer to this will be found in the lessons on the uni.  It will require much study to become proficient.  You will find that there is NO one way to achieve this.  The WAY, YOUR WAY, will be hiding in your thoughts and your belief system that will probably need some tweeking as new information makes itself known to you.  This is where the journey really becomes interesting.  You will grow expotentially in how you see the world.  This is the hidden gift that horses bring to their humans, and it is a gift for sure.

The Bedouins, in the middle eastern culture, have been training horses for thousands of years.  Their number one most important training issue was to train the young foals to come to them on command whenever they called. without fail.  The young children would do this in their tents and while the foals were young.  They built, within the young horse, a strength of bond that would last a life-time for the horse and their human caretakers. Later on, when ridden, If a horse would leave the company of their human while in the desert, the result of that would mean certain death for the human.  The horse, for the Bedouins, brought them the gift of exploration and trade.  It seemed to be a good trade-off as the horses could depend on some aspect of feeding and nourishment from their humans for their allegiance to their horse-masters.  I write this as a potential goal of training of what could be achieved with a consistent march toward mastering the relationship between horses and mankind.

Get into the mind of the horse and plant the seed of RESPECT, but try to do so with a level playing field for both the horse and the human.

Best of luck with your studies

Bud